I get a message "After October 28th no new content will be allowed". In the list of what's going away - it includes everything including conversations, email messaging etc.
Is it true?
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yes.
Horses mouth…
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html?impressions=true
Question from a YG moderator: "will we still have access to the old message archives? I see that the archive view is going away. Will search still work? Their announcement is vague in spots as to what happens to the old messages and access to them"
Search will not work after Dec 14th.
Another question: if we just decide to let our Groups close without moving them to a new platform, are there any other ways of accessing the archived .PG4 files besides using the PGO program? The previous format - some years ago now - was compatible with Excel but I notice the .PG4 format doesn't open quite as smoothly.
Martin
NZ
The PG4 format is an SQLite database.
You can use the free program SQLite Studio to open and read the contents.
Cheers,
Wilson.
I will continue to use PGO as a reader of old messages which I downloaded. The only functionality that will no longer be used is to "refresh" or "download". I am hoping the PGO program will continue to function as a reader. Not sure about the license part, though.
It will continue to work as a reader for downloaded data.
It will continue to have a download capability only there will be nothing to download.
Quote from: Wilson Logan on October 23, 2019, 10:20:09 PM
It will continue to work as a reader for downloaded data.
It will continue to have a download capability only there will be nothing to download.
The PGO could be adapted to download from the Yahoo web mails? Me and thousand of people do not use a mail client, we download to web mail ... but can we trust Yahoo to continue keeping our contents for free?
Regads,
alhena
I have no idea what "Yahoo web mail" is.
Is it a web based email client? If yes then Yahoo will not delete the data from it.
But you should get & use an email program on your PC.
PGO latest beta imports data from Yahoo MBOX files if that's any use.
Cheers,
Wilson.
Commenting on "Reply Nr 9" by Wilson
A "webmail" is cloud computing, an inbox in the cloud, mails are received, read and stored there, i dont use a mail client to download ... along the years a big contents. I know Yahoo is not deleting my contents now, but who knows in the future?
PGO is so good soft ... I thought it may be adapted to be a good mail client.
>>Wilson "PGO latest beta imports data from Yahoo MBOX files if that's any use."
Interesting, is that beta available to download?
PGO is so good soft ... I thought it may be adapted to be a good mail client.
>>>> I agree.
>>Wilson "PGO latest beta imports data from Yahoo MBOX files if that's any use."
Interesting, is that beta available to download?
>>>> http://www.personalgroupware.com/groupmanager/pg-offline-4-0-907.zip
Cheers,
Wilson.
Reference to Wilson's Reply Nr 11 above.
Hi Wilson, I started to install the beta 4-0-907 but see it will be installed at my Prog Files under "PG Offline 4" and that's the same title at C:/Users ...etc for my PGO 4.0.901 already in use. So I cancelled the installation... please help, sorry if it's very silly doubt.
Then another question, is this beta the best viewer for mbox files? Yahoo sent me today a big file to download with all my groups under that address (I have others), Now the "orphan" (no mod) groups as mine came to be part of the business, paying the same US$220 as "mod groups" the io people can inject the mbox to the new group.
Thanks a lot
alhena
P.S. to bMaverick if he would be reading, Thank you for your recommendation, my download from Yahoo failed twice, then I connected the cable ... via wifi the max speed was 100 kb/sec, via physical cable 1.4 MB/sec.
I dunno.
Try the MBOX import and see what you think...
Quote from: alhena on November 28, 2019, 10:26:00 PM
alhena
P.S. to bMaverick if he would be reading, Thank you for your recommendation, my download from Yahoo failed twice, then I connected the cable ... via wifi the max speed was 100 kb/sec, via physical cable 1.4 MB/sec.
Glad it has helped. :) We are in the same boat really, using this good PGO software to save a few decades of history knowledge from valuable sources otherwise not found anywhere else.
There are several owners, moderators and folks like my group with neither that only PGO is the only viable solution to bridge the migration.
Nothing else is working but PGO. None of the Python scripts nor the Chrome ext anymore after August this year. Seems YG changed some things behind the scenes.
Glad Wilson's software is working. I've made recommendations to several of the other YG owners and mods in the Ag and tractor groups. 12 groups have made the move so far. Many with PGO. Only the John Deere tractor group could afford the premium membership to make the hop.
BMaverick
Have you seen PGO-2-GIO?
It transfers groups you've downloaded using PGO to groups.io
There is a video of me using an early version here:
https://youtu.be/zZCFdEYiRK4
Wilson,
Nearly missed your posting with the link.
I can see this being a BIG HELP with a sub-group being the archive.
From your YT vid, your uploader looks as if the original message posting date & time stamp is used. This is a BIG HELP as well.
On my end, I would never upload the photos in their current state. The file sizes are HUGE. Using a GroupsIO FREE account, this is limited to a mere 1GB max of space. I've taken all of the YG photos and brought them from the 5Mb size down to a mere 240kb size at 1024x768 resolution. In other words, the Photos in our group were HUGE at 679Mb and now a mere 154Mb while retaining the image in a quality manner.
Our groups file section was a mess to begin with. :) So, I plan on getting things organized with titles that actually reflect the content. 97% of our links are dead.
The owner to our group left in 2009 and the last moderator a few years later. Our group of 2,973 members was left on auto-pilot.
This YG going dark in mid-December is actually a mixed blessing in disguise o fix all the things broken in our group.
As for your PGO-2-GIO make a specific thread at the top as a STICKY. Then reply in this thread to look for it. :)
BMaverick
Its still a bit buggy.
Attachments matching from whats in the email to what was saved.
Stuff like apostrophes in file names (who the **** would do that?).
Anyway... a small amount to do yet.
Cheers,
Wilson.
The good thing on my end, no attachments. The original owner had that option off. Yes, some folks would like the attachments included in the postings.
Yes, those punctuation markings got weird when the internet went to HTML-5 and odd characters were used to supplement them.
https://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/charref
Maybe that chart above could help get those buggy things to be gone. :)
Wiki shows the whole mess of them and at what stages in HTML code they came into play.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references
Even if you ended up doing a FIND ALL and REPLACE ALL with either a space or nothing, the apostrophe would be understood by the reader.
Wilson,
OK, I've prepared in advance a sub-group on GroupsIO for when the PGO-2-GIO becomes available.
For us, I made the sub-group PUBLIC. Then made only OWNER and MODS able to have access to it. This way, it is READABLE to anyone, not modifiable. Thus, the data will be preserved like it was ripped from Yahoo. :)
I may need to make a total of 4 sub-groups because there are/were 4 groups with different functions with out membership. Odd, but that's how it was setup way back when.
On another note, the messages in the Yahoo Groups has SPAM and porn ads galore. Is there a way to find these in PGO and delete them from the archive BEFORE moving them to GIO ??? Is there a fast find and so-called destroy of this adware??? Yahoo & AOL toss in their ads too. Can these be stripped out as well??? I did this with the CSV export to Excel, but how can this be edited or eliminated in the PGO software???
Are there YT vids or a wiki help section for this ???
BMaverick
Search & sort are your friend.
Search to identify rogue members, note these, go back to main window, and then sort by author, then delete.
Thats what I'd do.
Wilson,
Thanks a bunch!
Other than the junk postings, how does one purge the Yahoo & AOL ads that are TAGGED at the end of messages then ???
BMaverick
That is much more problematic.
PGO's prime directive is to not change anything that it downloads.
You can imagine the consequences of people editing PGO messages and then sharing a PGO archive with edited messages being passed off as the originals from Yahoo.
So we never created an edit facility.
Cheers,
Wilson.
Wilson,
No problem. :)
Guess Yahoo will still be sticking around in some capacity then.
BMaverick
It'll still be a listserv.